The Changelog The Changelog #435

The future of the web is HTML over the wire

This week we’re joined by long-time web developer Matt Patterson. Earlier this year Matt wrote an evocative article for A List Apart called The Future of Web Software Is HTML-over-WebSockets. In this episode Matt sits down with Jerod to discuss, in-detail, why he believes the future of the web is server-rendered (again) and how Ruby on Rails is well positioned to bring that future to us today.


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Dym Sohin ✍️💡

Dym Sohin ✍️💡

🦾🤡 cyber clown
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interests include: ui, design, code, comics, comedy, colors, pixels, fractals, datavis, webdev, dune, cyberpunk

2021-04-06T05:41:21Z ago

[removed] is the final jingle loud.

it managed to cancel out enjoyment of the entire show within 2 seconds and then some

Jerod Santo

Jerod Santo

Omaha, Nebraska

Jerod co-hosts The Changelog, crashes JS Party, and takes out the trash (his old code) once in awhile.

2021-04-06T20:10:19Z ago

When you say “final jingle” are you referring to the outro music that begins around the 57 minute mark or the very final “CHANGELOG” sound at 58:39?

(I removed part of your comment as it violates our code of conduct)

Dym Sohin ✍️💡

Dym Sohin ✍️💡

🦾🤡 cyber clown
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interests include: ui, design, code, comics, comedy, colors, pixels, fractals, datavis, webdev, dune, cyberpunk

2021-04-06T20:19:07Z ago

yes, the final 2 seconds with the “ear-reap”, to put it in CoC-friendly terms.
not the first time i heard it, but it was so frustrating this time, that i had to start with a cussing

Jerod Santo

Jerod Santo

Omaha, Nebraska

Jerod co-hosts The Changelog, crashes JS Party, and takes out the trash (his old code) once in awhile.

2021-04-06T20:26:05Z ago

Gotcha, we’ll see about tweaking that decibels on that 👌

Dym Sohin ✍️💡

Dym Sohin ✍️💡

🦾🤡 cyber clown
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interests include: ui, design, code, comics, comedy, colors, pixels, fractals, datavis, webdev, dune, cyberpunk

2021-04-06T21:53:12Z ago

and it’s not just the volume, also unexpected sudently after the regular closing credits gone quiet. which i assume was inteded to be some kind of easter egg, but it evolved into a tripwire when no one was watching.. why no one complained before? probably b/c pod-apps like overcast have trim(seconds_start, seconds_end)

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but i recently decided to try out “vanila” podcasting experience, just to see all the pain-points one would come across within an “intended” environment.
and, thx to iOS memory management, discovered that not saving the position of podcast on page reload, in a Cookie/localStorage/url.replace() with current timestamp every ~15s – is the biggest pitfall every regular web-player has.
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2021-04-11T16:25:05Z ago

“Well, do we need to be building effectively two apps, oftentimes in two repos, and then glueing them together with JSON being serialized and deserialized back and forth, and then all of the state management issues in terms of managing how you keep your frontend state data store in sync with your backend database? Do we need to bite off all of that to achieve what we’re actually trying to achieve as a piece of software?”

As opposed to what, exactly? Building two apps inside the same code base, hopelessly coupling UI and business logic making every change have unintended consequences?

I have always failed to understand this argument. It seems to me that no matter how tightly package your application code, you will always be writing two applications, and the extra efforts involved in keeping them in sync are misguided in the first place: they are different tools running on different machines for different purposes.

This to me always sounds like an argument against modularity.

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